New Manx Club - Time for an update?

90volts · Post by **90volts** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:47 am

[QUOTE="MojaveMel"]LIGreenManx: The Manx registry is considered proprietary and will be retained by Bruce and Winnie. Providing tags for cars without them also falls to MM Inc. Some of us have also brainstormed the registry idea. It'd be neat to have a registry for all types of buggies. The wall we hit is how to police it. Anyone could post anything, owned or imagined, and there are enough pranksters out there I am sure joke/false entries would happen. Those who subscribe to the current Manx Registry know if they try to contact someone listed in their area often the info is out of date. The contact is no longer there. I am on several registries, one for my military unit. I've tried to contact old buddies and not one of the contacts is still valid. Relying on update from the person originally posting doesn't seem to help. Anyone have any ideas on how to keep a registry up to date and confirm accuracy of the info posted? Having a bunch of bad or outdated info has the effect of negating the whole idea behind having a registry. If you google "Dune Buggy Club" guess what comes up on top? Changing the name might alter that prestigious spot.[/QUOTE] how about something as simple as sending in our info we would like included in a registry (name ,address,phone, whatever) and a picture of our buggy? we would send it back with our renewal package and could opt out if we would like. it could be redone each year with current renewals, have a small pic of the buggy with our info next to it and sent out maybe may / june ? it could even (with address anad phone) be used as a contact list for say if you are gdriving through an area and run into problems. i know the street rod guys have something like that nationally for if they need help. and now i know why our bylawsonly cost $500... one page, readable by anyone. short and sweet. i'll have to get back to you on what i think of the bylaws after having my lawyer explain it to me.

FAKMANX · Post by **FAKMANX** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:05 am

I am glad to see this Icon will not be disappearing. I feel it has been the catalyst, for so many buggy inthusiasts. There have been several splinter groups over the years. Which can now be considered chapters if they wish. I want to thank those of you with the insight and the dedication, to get this organization up and running. I will be sending my dues in a little early this year, just to help lube the gears. I think we should all show our support this way, as it is such a small effort, when you consider what these gentlemen have put forward. Thanks again Gentlemen.

1856 · Post by **1856** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:39 pm

90volts/Mike ... check out Article XXI on Page 10 ... Please let me know if that covers your Registers question? Mark

towd-dude · Post by **towd-dude** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:26 pm

Club Members, Please don't rush to judgment on the By-Laws, this is our first effort and they are not cast in stone. Many of you have excellent ideas about where the club is going and what it should be doing. It is our desire to get the club up and running then work on the kinks. The knowledge and enthusiasm of all of you is necessary for the health and welfare of this club. So, please don?t bail too early. Bob "Growing Pains" Kornoff

GotManx · Post by **GotManx** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:35 pm

Add me to the list of people who appreciate all of you who are working to keep the club going. It is a large responsibility and I believe Bruce and Winnie did a good job along with everything else they have going on. This is a great club and I have enjoyed being a member from the begining. I am looking forward to see it grow in this new direction.

SQRTUBE · Post by **SQRTUBE** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:09 pm

I have been a member for a long time. I have only posted two times. I would like to thank those working for the good of the club. In Summary, For me, it is not all about the website or the name. I find importance in Bruce and Winnie being able to go on a trip with the club and enjoy themselves. I also feel like the dues to belong to the club arent about what I am getting for my money. Its about being part of a legacy. Its sad to see people throw in the towel. But on the other hand, if dis-satisfaction causes tension, then attrition can be a benefit. I will not quit because I enjoy the functions and the people who I spend time with, when Im there. I would like to wish the new management good luck and I will see you at the next function.

newmanx59 · Post by **newmanx59** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:07 am

Good luck to the new management. If there is anything I can do to help, you know where to get in touch with me.

MojaveMel · Post by **MojaveMel** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:59 pm

I think most folks are optimistic and realize the legacy of the Manx is the heritage and therefore legacy of every dune buggy. The "types" are just hybreds, legitimate or not. There will be bugs to work out to be sure. If some rush to judgment that's up to them. I'd just suggest they don't burn any bridges. There is a lot of fresh vision in the air.

manxdavid · Post by **manxdavid** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:17 pm

I just renewed my membership...I'm really looking forward to the changes. I just hope the powers that be decide to open up the forum to non members again so it can become the best and most vibrant Dune Buggy message board in the world again... Fingers crossed...

TMc2548 · Post by **TMc2548** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:23 am

I too look forward to the changes and will weather the ups and down involved in getting the new club off the ground. My fear is that along the way we will not only lose a few members but give those thinking of joining the wrong impression that we are a splintered group who feel the need to create our own individual forums where our comfort zones are a bit more restrictive. Another thing is that if there is only a third of the club members part of the forum then how is their input given and recieved. Seems like the few leading the many. To be frank I had a rather long discourse written last night and was about to post it but in the interest of club unity I will leave it at this. We need to stick together and support Bruce, Winnie and the heritage and legacy that is the Meyers Manx. It is their wish that the club proceed as it is and lets not lose sight of that.

90volts · Post by **90volts** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:11 pm

1856 wrote:90volts/Mike ... check out Article XXI on Page 10 ... Please let me know if that covers your Registers question? Mark

doesn't make much sense to me. why would i want to be a part of 2 manx clubs? i am already a member here. there looks like there would be an awful lot of expense involved in creating a chapter. bylaws, newsletter, etc. in addition, i am sure that many areas may be hard pressed to come up with 10 manxclub members to begin with. I know of 4 in the area here. we're good for 3 officers and a member.

it also seems that we, say the buggybums for example, would not get any benefits to becoming a chapter of the manxclub. a couple of us are already manxclub members so what would be the benefit of becoming a chapter? honestly, all we out here have wanted is to be able to go on a show or a run and show a manxclub banner since we are members and are out here promoting manxs as well as other buggys. if you take a look at section 2 of Article XXI :

SECTION 2: The purpose of an affiliated register is to promote the preservation, restoration, operation and lore of specific categories of vehicles and/or automobilia and to promote participation by members and their families in these and other Manx Club activities. Such purpose may be achieved by periodical publications, registers of vehicles and owners, sponsorship of events, and meetings of the membership. The activities of affiliated registers must be supplemental to, and compatible with, those of the Manx Club.

if you just replace the first mention of 'manclub' with 'dune buggy' this is what we are already doing as we are. as a group as well as individuals. not that i think this new manxclub isn't going in the right direction, i just don't get the 'chapter' thing. what i would like to know is if a few of us show up at a show together, can we put up a manxclub banner?

CairoManx · Post by **CairoManx** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:19 pm

Mark, Just speaking for myself here, but I believe the idea behind setting up a Manx Club chapter(s) is that; (A) As part of a larger network, it will help draw a group of buggyists together who share the mutual goal of attracting even more buggyists or people who would like to be buggyists, helping the hobby to grow. (B) It will hopefully provide some structure and consistency where all these individuals, who share the same goals, but likely all have different ideas on how to reach them, can democratically combine their efforts and skills. (C) It will also more likely assure that reponsible individuals, elected and entrusted by the group, will oversee activities at events, which if totally left to the discretion of whoever shows up that day, might not provide a safe or positive atmosphere.

MojaveMel · Post by **MojaveMel** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:37 pm

On the banner question: I'd say if it isn't prohibited it's permitted. It's for promotion right? You aren't going to tramp it through the mud. To not allow a banner would be the equivalent of telling a member in a small area they have the right to build a group but can't advertise. Any member should have the right to use the name Manx Club IMO. Any prohibition would probably be to keep abuses from happening. I'm not an officer but that's my simple logic. The first issue of the Mania we hope to publish a summary that folks will find easier to understand. I need that myself. I personally don't like all the legaleze. Sometimes I have to read a sentence three times and still am not sure I understand it. I'd rather just get on with making the club fun again, and facilitating others who want to do the same. It's unfortuante we have legal hoops to jump through for non-profit incorporation. A positive feature is the bylaws are changable. Change won't happen instantly, but over time I trust leadership will refine, perhaps simplify, and adapt them to needs that arise. The question has come up several times about opening the forum. The committee was unanimous in wanting to do that. That doesn't mean there won't be a member area with member-specific resources. There is discussion right now about putting some library items that haven't been available before into .pdf for members. But we have to walk before we run. It'll all come together over time.

rzeller · Post by **rzeller** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:43 pm

[QUOTE="MojaveMel"]The question has come up several times about opening the forum. The committee was unanimous in wanting to do that. That doesn't mean there won't be a member area with member-specific resources. There is discussion right now about putting some library items that haven't been available before into .pdf for members. But we have to walk before we run. It'll all come together over time.[/QUOTE] Mel, I think this one decision (charging for access to the forum via club membership) lead to a mass exodus of people from this club site. If the forum becomes free again, I think people will come back (at least that's some of the sentiment on other buggy sites). I personally don't think many people will have an issue with a member's only section. It makes sense and is fair. That's great news! Bud

90volts · Post by **90volts** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:14 pm

lots of good news. i don't get all the legalese either but figure it's all to protect the owners, officers, etc so necessary. and things will get more comfortable as we start 'doing'. looks like there has been a lot of thought put into this. thanks for the dedication and open minds.