How huch flake does it take!?

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I don't want to give too much away until it's finished but here is what we are doing my original 7E manx with. Thanks for echoing what my painter suggested. 4 ounces per quart. He think 1 quart will cover the buggy. He did suggest a black base coat to make the layers of the flake "pop" more. ???? He is guessing 2 or 3 gallons of clear to do the whole job. Everything will be in PPG paint and clear acryllic enamel. I will post pics as we go. He is doing the holes filling right now. I am keeping all the original lights, mirrors gas tank fill ect. Just replacing the chrome. He is filling the top and door holes and fixing one light pedestal. Thanks again Mel! John

[dunebuggyjay]

HI John, cant wait to see the outcome. Is that orange metalflake?? Its sweet what ever color it is! I know your Boss Bug has black under the flake, as did my old Boss Bug, and my classic Manx also has black under the flake. The only down side to that is you have to make sure you get even coverage. But I think it does look better with the black under the flake. It does have more of an effect. -Jay

[Gene-C]

Hey John or Mel, Is that 4 oz. by volume or by weight? A couple other things I have heard about flake application. One is after the flake coat dries and before the final clear is applied is to rub it with wax paper to make the flake lay down. Another guy told me he uses a wood roler to lay the flake down. Be sure to post those pics.

[mel hubbard]

[QUOTE="Yellermanx"]Hey John or Mel, Is that 4 oz. by volume or by weight? A couple other things I have heard about flake application. One is after the flake coat dries and before the final clear is applied is to rub it with wax paper to make the flake lay down. Another guy told me he uses a wood roler to lay the flake down. Be sure to post those pics.[/QUOTE] 4 oz weight of flake to 1 qt lac,,, see my earlier post for details on getting the flake to lay flat. A few things to note,,,,, the smaller the flake the better it will cover,,, 90% of a good paint job is down to the prep work. When moulding in flake the finnish coat goes on first, so the finnish of that buggy will only be as good as the mould from which came from, so there is no prep work. Like the guys said black base coat, i also like using black as a base,,, but as a test,, get a sheet of clear plastic or glass, spray the flake onto one side of the glass, then when dry stand the glass on a black background,, you should see the effect of the black base this way. Its best to practise and do some testing on non buggy parts first,,, I did a few buggy shells (moulded) last year with just a sprinkle of different colour flakes (less than 1 oz in total) using black as the base, I really like that look now,,,,less like a fairground ride and easy on the eyes too,,, this was the result of a bit of workshop R&D that worked,,, You want to try hologram over black Chuck???? heres a tip,,, go to Meadowbrooks (USA flake supplier) they sell small test jars of flake,,you can buy your favourites and make a unique hologram. GOOD LUCK CHUCK

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[QUOTE="dunebuggyjay"]HI John, cant wait to see the outcome. Is that orange metalflake?? Its sweet what ever color it is! I know your Boss Bug has black under the flake, as did my old Boss Bug, and my classic Manx also has black under the flake. The only down side to that is you have to make sure you get even coverage. But I think it does look better with the black under the flake. It does have more of an effect. -Jay[/QUOTE] Yeah the flake is a poly flake orange metallic. I also has a hologram feature to it. So it looks like you sqaure on your credit card as light rolls off of it. I need somewhere to post a short video clip of it for you guys. It is killer. I can capture it with a still pic and the video is only half what the sun really does. I found the original 7E at Meadowbrook but the girl I have been talking to is only interested in selling me 10lbs! So if anyone is interested in original Man 7E glitter email me we can split some. John

[mel hubbard]

[QUOTE="dunebuggyarchives"]Yeah the flake is a poly flake orange metallic. I also has a hologram feature to it. So it looks like you sqaure on your credit card as light rolls off of it. I need somewhere to post a short video clip of it for you guys. It is killer. I can capture it with a still pic and the video is only half what the sun really does. I found the original 7E at Meadowbrook but the girl I have been talking to is only interested in selling me 10lbs! So if anyone is interested in original Man 7E glitter email me we can split some. John[/QUOTE] Are you sure its poly-flake?? the code for polyesters are all P,,, brilliant golden orange is 7 P. The code for Metallic (aluminum) jewels in Golden orange is 7E. The poly flake shines more. Maybe they got the Pee's mixed up with the Eee's Very nice choice of colour John :rock:

[Gene-C]

Hey Mel, have you ever done one in brilliant marigold code 84p? Does it look more gold than light orange?

[mel hubbard]

[QUOTE="devildriver"]Hey Mel, have you ever done one in brilliant marigold code 84p? Does it look more gold than light orange?[/QUOTE] No Ryan, i can remember ever doing that one,,,it does look more gold,,, you could mix two together .

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[QUOTE="mel hubbard"]Are you sure its poly-flake?? the code for polyesters are all P,,, brilliant golden orange is 7 P. The code for Metallic (aluminum) jewels in Golden orange is 7E. The poly flake shines more. Maybe they got the Pee's mixed up with the Eee's Very nice choice of colour John [/QUOTE] Mel, The flake I bought before I found out about Meadowbrooke, was from Old School Flake. It is a poly flake. .015 from the guys at Innate Technologies. http://www.innate.com/Paint/PAINTS.htm They have some wild chrome paint, flip flop illusion paint, ect... The coolest thing I have found from talking to them is the Flake Buster. The Flake Buster is a flake gun. They reccommend using it to apply the flake DRY ! How cool is that. I have ahrd a time getting over the cost of the gun for one use...$229.00 but, they say it is the ONLY way to make the flake lay down easily. When applied dry to your wet clear it hits and falls flat. You only get enough to stick where the clear is wet. When you put the next layer of clear on hit it with the flake gun again. You use alot less clear and a ton less work. The guy doing my buggy is doing it for $700. That inlcudes the filling prepping, and the base and clear labor and materials. I had to buy the flake myself. I guess maybe I should pony up the money for the gun since, I am way under Chuck's $5K estimate he got. ouch... Here's the flake buster..... http://www.innate.com/Paint/OSF/Flake%20Buster.htm I was going to wait to see how mine turned out before I posted all the info but, since so many people are excited and interested in flake, I thought why not. Looks like it will be worht documenting the repaint of the Manx. No I am just wondering if I should go back to aluminum foil 7E from meadowbrooke. 10lbs would last me along time though since that is the minimum order. John

[mel hubbard]

[QUOTE="dunebuggyarchives"]Mel, The flake I bought before I found out about Meadowbrooke, was from Old School Flake. It is a poly flake. .015 from the guys at Innate Technologies. http://www.innate.com/Paint/PAINTS.htm They have some wild chrome paint, flip flop illusion paint, ect... The coolest thing I have found from talking to them is the Flake Buster. The Flake Buster is a flake gun. They reccommend using it to apply the flake DRY ! How cool is that. I have ahrd a time getting over the cost of the gun for one use...$229.00 but, they say it is the ONLY way to make the flake lay down easily. When applied dry to your wet clear it hits and falls flat. You only get enough to stick where the clear is wet. When you put the next layer of clear on hit it with the flake gun again. You use alot less clear and a ton less work. The guy doing my buggy is doing it for $700. That inlcudes the filling prepping, and the base and clear labor and materials. I had to buy the flake myself. I guess maybe I should pony up the money for the gun since, I am way under Chuck's $5K estimate he got. ouch... Here's the flake buster..... http://www.innate.com/Paint/OSF/Flake%20Buster.htm I was going to wait to see how mine turned out before I posted all the info but, since so many people are excited and interested in flake, I thought why not. Looks like it will be worht documenting the repaint of the Manx. No I am just wondering if I should go back to aluminum foil 7E from meadowbrooke. 10lbs would last me along time though since that is the minimum order. John[/QUOTE] Im sure it will look great John,, that flake buster gun sounds good,,, I want one. :rock:

[mel hubbard]

Hey John maybe I could buy that dry-flake gun off you,, when your done with it

[Gene-C]

Hey John, Is that $700 for paint or gel coat? The estimate I got was for all repairs and do it in gel coat. Still to expensive. Funny you get so many different opinions. The guy at Mini Craft told me that if you do the dry flake application that the flakes would stand on end and not lay down. Wish I knew who to believe, since the dry flake method seems to be fool proof. Do the .015 flake look like a good size? I want mine to really bling (hate that word). Oh well that's a project for later, but I'm trying to learn as much as I can. Be sure to post those pics. Chuck

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Chuck, From what I understand the size is the same as original. There are larger sizes I was avioding because I was planning to spray through the clear with a HVLP gun. The tip size is an issue there. The dry method means any size is open for use. I may mix the small and large. I am not sure yet. If I buy the flake gun, I will also buy some larger flake to compare the two. :roll:Yes opinions do vary. I am just overjoyed to find a guy who will try it. I have talked to many over the last three years that all said not in my shop. I 'll come to your garage and use your gun....if I had one....duh.... $700 is for paint or flake in clear, repairs, transport to and from, and finish buff ect... I will keep a log of the whole process. I have to make up my mind on the flake gun this week. He wants to have everything ready soon, as he is starting to repair the body now. I'll keep you posted. John [QUOTE=Yellermanx]Hey John, Is that $700 for paint or gel coat? The estimate I got was for all repairs and do it in gel coat. Still to expensive. Funny you get so many different opinions. The guy at Mini Craft told me that if you do the dry flake application that the flakes would stand on end and not lay down. Wish I knew who to believe, since the dry flake method seems to be fool proof. Do the .015 flake look like a good size? I want mine to really bling (hate that word). Oh well that's a project for later, but I'm trying to learn as much as I can. Be sure to post those pics. Chuck[/QUOTE]

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Chuck here is pic, I'll try to get a better one in the sun light today. This is said to be the same 7E flake our buggies were made of. I am thinking about buying 10lbs of it. That is the lowest quantity the sell. Click it for the full size pic.:rock: John

[Gene-C]

[QUOTE="dunebuggyarchives"]Chuck here is pic, I'll try to get a better one in the sun light today. This is said to be the same 7E flake our buggies were made of. I am thinking about buying 10lbs of it. That is the lowest quantity the sell. Click it for the full size pic.:rock: John [/QUOTE] That's BLINGAFUL, Hopefully I'll get around to doing mine next year. Can't wait to see yours.