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Picked up some caterpillar exhaust paint as recommended by Jerry D. The part number if anyone needs it is 4C-4199. It was twelve bucks a can. Thanks MURZ

Is it Cat yellow?

Nope, BLACK

I missed Jerry D's thread. What are you using the paint for?? the pics are great, but connect me to the paint?? Jimbo

I am going to paint my grungy exhaust and wanted to get a paint that will hold up. I have seen several posts where Jerry D. recommended the paint. I am going to try it.

A black exhaust system is O.K. just as long as you don't do what every good Caterpillar exhaust system does to show the site foreman that you are working the engine hard. Blow BLACK SMOKE!! :laugh1:

Here is the exhaust with Cat paint after about a month of runtime.

where did you got the paint? can you just go order some from auto zone or something? Or do you have to go to a cat dealer? Your exhaust looks much better than mine. I tried to use that "extreme high temp paint form Lowe's" It's supposed to hold up to 1500 deg. F but I'm kinda doubting that.

dat pic is exactly why I went wit da stuff!!!! If you surf here long enough, you learn some stuff!!!! MURZ

The only place I can find it is at the Cat dealer.

Hey Jerry, Can you give me a lead on the stainless braided hoses and fittings for your remote mount oil filter? I've got a similiar setup with just plain rubber and it seems like oil is coming right through the rubber! Maybe the wrong type of hose was used or they are getting old. Can the hoses be purchased with the fittings already on? Dan

I used -10 size hose on my buggy, many people use -8 and have no problems. I bought all my fittings and hose from Jegs, they seem to be the least expensive. I don't know anywhere you can buy the hoses premade. The hoses are not very hard to cut and assemble. Just wrap the hose tightly with electrical tape and cut the hose through the middle of the tape with a cutoff wheel. Don't remove the tape until you are ready to assemble the fitting to the hose. Make sure you flush the hose out with carb cleaner to remove the debris made from the cutting of the hose, it will destroy the bearings in short order.

Gene Berg sells them, but they are not cheep. I went with a pair of their 22" GB 252-22 for our buggy (the longest pre-made they make, but they will custom to any length). They are the best on the market. Now I didn't go with their kit since the new motor came set up for full flow with the pump and cover installed. I had to get the AN fittings seperate to fit my application. No problems with them after a year of off-road. Just be sure that when installed, they do not rub against each other or anything else as they will eventually rub through and cause a leak. Below is from their on-line catalog. You can order over the phone, just have the part number ready. If you are unsure, you can be directed to their technical support staff first (Sorry about the long post in advance ). For some reason, the web site is quirky, and I have to hit the STOP button after it loads the first time, because it keeps trying to load over and over again. http://www.geneberg.com/oilinsystmpg5.htm http://www.geneberg.com/techtips.htm Full Flow Oil Filter Kits Teflon Hose With Stainless Steel Covering GB 246 8mm sedan through 1967 (small bumper bracket). Complete full flow kit with: our GB 241 cover, (4) GB 254 AN-8 fittings, (1) GB FF-BOLT sedan mounting bolt, (1) GB 256-S AN-8 swivel, (1) GB 259 90-degree fitting, (1) GB 259CL 90-degree fitting for back into the block, GB 251 HP1 Fram filter, GB 267A plug for the pump, GB 250 filter adapter, and (1) GB 252-16", (1) GB 252-18" braided stainless steel covered AN-8 Teflon hose. Hoses have the ends permanently swedged on the end of the Teflon tubing for a leak and blow out free installation. Not like other cheap hoses with screw or clamp together ends that often blow apart or rubber hose that gets hard and cracks. For those who want the best the first and only time. SW 6# ADD-239 Additional charge to substitute GB 239 in GB 246 full flow kit. GB 246A Same as GB 246 except with (1) GB 252-18", (1) GB 252-20" hoses for 1968-on sedan (big bumper bracket) and busses through 1967 without a rear engine support. ADD-239 Additional charge to substitute GB 239 in GB 246A full flow kit. GB 246B Same as GB 246 (also see note below) except with (2) GB 252-20" hoses and an additional GB 259 fitting for Type III (rear mount models require mount modification). ADD-239A Additional charge to substitute GB 239A in GB 246B full flow kit. GB 246C Same as GB 246 (also see note below) except with (2) GB 252-20" hoses for 68-71 bus, some bus mounts may need a slight dimple (VW made 3 different versions mounts). ADD-239B Additional charge to substitute GB 239B in GB 246C full flow kit. Separate Full Flow System Parts And Fittings GB 250 Remote filter adapter base plate to accept HP1 and System 1 oil filters. Right angle with 3/8 NPT female holes. We have drilled out one hole to 8mm for mounting to the special mounting bolt which we made to go into the bumper bracket. Remember; always mount the filter so the fittings are on the top to prevent filter drain when the car is left sitting for a long period of time. SW 2# GB 251 HP1 heavy duty Fram filter. SW 2# Warning (again): Do not use any standard duty oil filter (like PH8A) on a VW air cooled engine in full flow. Use only filters that have at least the burst rating of the Fram HP1. Note about neoprene/rubber hose: Again, all rubber or neoprene gas or oil hose will deteriorate in a couple of years. It is critical to check ALL neoprene/rubber hoses at least every year and replace any that are hard or cracked when bent at 90 degrees. Our Teflon stainless type hose will not require this, as it will not harden in this manner. My stainless/Teflon hoses on my bus were 15 years old when I sold my bus and were still good. WARNING: Not all stainless hoses are Teflon. Many are now made with neoprene inside and will require changing from time to time. Don't Have A Blow Out Lately, I see more and more oil downs at the race tracks because of inadequate strength oil filters or screw together stainless hoses. I have also had many customers report "blown" filters in their daily driven street cars. Many people do not realize the reason I do not market anything but the Fram HP1 for standard full flow use on the street or strip is because all other conventional filters I tested failed in some way at some point. Some I got away with for as long as a year or two, however, I finally got caught. Do not take a chance on losing an engine or oiling down the track, having one blow out where no replacement is available. Use the HP1 Fram if you use the standard canister type filters. Naturally, this problem does not apply to the Oberg or the System 1. Oil lines - Stainless steel hose with hose clamps on the ends or screw together ends often blow apart and oil down the track. I, personally, would not use such hoses for low pressure applications let alone high oil pressure. That is the main reason I use only swedged end hoses that are designed to withstand up to 1000 lbs. pressure. Furthermore, I use only the Teflon material as it flows more, does not get hard and will not require periodical replacement like rubber or neoprene hose does. Neoprene or rubber oil lines get hard and must be replaced from time to time so are more costly in the long run. Even many other suppliers? cheaper stainless steel braided hoses are often rubber inside and may also need to be replaced periodically. Teflon Hose, Covered With Stainless Steel AN-8 Oil Hoses Berg braided stainless steel covering "lifetime Teflon" hose with swedged AN fitting female ends. This 1000 PSI, heat resistant type hose is slightly more expensive than others, however is the only hose you should ever need, making it far more economical. A lifetime investment. (I installed mine in 1969 and they are still on my engine today). 1. Teflon hose resists temperature deterioration for years. Outlasts cheaper stainless covered neoprene hose over 10 to 1. 2. Swedged ends are capable of withstanding to 1000 PSI. I have seen screw together type hose ends come apart under 8 pounds of fuel pump pressure at the carburetor and burn the car to the ground. I have even seen some fall apart from road vibration. Do not gamble, get genuine Gene Berg hoses. 3. Teflon hose with braided stainless steel covering protects against damage occurring from abuse like rocks, etc. 4. Teflon hose has a far higher flow rate due to its slipperiness. Furthermore, it will maintain this same flow over the years, as it will not swell shut like neoprene or rubber hose often do after a few years of use. Made in the USA. SW 2# GB 252-12 12" seat to seat length GB 252-14 14" seat to seat length GB 252-16 16" seat to seat length GB 252-18 18" seat to seat length GB 252-20 20" seat to seat length GB 252-22 22" seat to seat length Note: We measure the length of the hose from the tapered seat to the tapered seat. For example: Our 12" hose actually has only 11" of hose as you gain 1/2 inch of length on each end due to the fitting. Keep this in mind when ordering custom hoses. Custom Oil And Gas Hoses Requires payment in advance or credit card. We can make what you need in AN-6 and AN-8, even from the gas tank to the engine. When we replaced the larger Type III steel and woven hose in our race car with a one piece AN-8 Teflon/SS hose our fuel flow and pressure increased dramatically. Don't take a chance on fuel starvation with your high performance street or race car. To make a complete custom fuel hose system requires that you provide a drawing with measurements of what you want. Map it out and let us know exactly what you want, listing the hoses and fittings so you know what it will cost. We can also swedge on the Weber carb banjo type ends. LA 252-CUSTOM Labor to cut and install both swedged ends on one hose, plus ends and material. GB 252-IN AN-8 hose by the inch. GB 252-IN-6 AN-6 hose by the inch. GB 252-END AN-8 hose end. Female. GB 252-END-6 AN-6 hose end. Female. GB 252-BJ-6 AN-6 Weber banjo. Example Of Ordering Custom Oil And/Or Gas Hoses Here's how you order a custom oil hose. Measure from the taper on the male AN-8 fitting to the taper on the other end's male fitting. Let's say that is 25 inches so you order a 25 inch hose. To calculate the price you will need: (2) GB 252-END female ends, (24) GB 252-IN which is 24 inches of hose and (1) LA 252-CUSTOM. You will also need (2) GB 254 3/8" pipe to AN-8 hose fittings to screw into the 3/8" pipe holes in the pump cover, block or ? for desired application. Here's how you order a custom gas hose. These are usually AN-6. For this application I will map from a Holley regulator to the Weber carbs. I will mount the regulator in the center of the fan housing. I will need (2) hoses 18" long with a female on one end and a banjo on the other end. I will not give the example from the Holley pump to regulator as that would be the same as a custom oil hose but in AN-6 (unless an all out race application that requires AN-8). To calculate the price you need: (2) GB 252-END-6 Female ends, (2) GB 252-BJ-6 banjos, (34) GB 252-IN-6 hose (17 & 17) and (2) LA 252-CUSTOM. You will also need (2) GB 254-6 3/8" pipe to AN-6 to screw into the regulator. The Weber end uses the Weber standard banjo bolt. Note: We can make custom length AN-6 or AN-8 gas or breather hoses to fill race and high performance street needs. GB 253C-6 AN-6 Female cap for sealing and protecting the AN-6 male fittings, such as capping the fitting at the fuel regulator when the lines are removed.

Just remember to take into consideration all the Berg hype. For instance: " I use only the Teflon material as it flows more, does not get hard and will not require periodical replacement like rubber or neoprene hose does. Neoprene or rubber oil lines get hard and must be replaced from time to time so are more costly in the long run. Even many other suppliers? cheaper stainless steel braided hoses are often rubber inside and may also need to be replaced periodically." I have been running the same Aeroquip stainless braides line on my sandrail for close to 20 years with absolutly no issues. At the time I installed them, they were 2/3rd's the cost of the Berg hoses. Fram HP-1 Filter: Berg sez: "Lately, I see more and more oil downs at the race tracks because of inadequate strength oil filters or screw together stainless hoses. I have also had many customers report "blown" filters in their daily driven street cars. Many people do not realize the reason I do not market anything but the Fram HP1 for standard full flow use on the street or strip is because all other conventional filters I tested failed in some way at some point. Some I got away with for as long as a year or two, however, I finally got caught. Do not take a chance on losing an engine or oiling down the track, having one blow out where no replacement is available. Use the HP1 Fram." Fram HP-1 filters are marginal at best when it comes to filtering quality. An off the shelf Wix #51088 oil filter will withstand the oil pressures encountered by a HP VW engine and outfilter a Fram HP-1 for 1/2 the price. Cut the 2 filters apart and see for yourself.

Thank you both, I'm going to first pursue the prefab hoses (I think 22" should work out great). Contrary to your Warning (again): Do not use any standard duty oil filter (like PH8A) on a VW air cooled engine in full flow. Use only filters that have at least the burst rating of the Fram HP1. I've been using the PH8A filter for atleast the last 2 years and am unclear what the issue is. Are you saying there is back-pressure? That could explain why my hoses seems like they're oozing a little oil. If that's the case I'll switch to the HP1 instead.