The Dictatorial

L0084MC · Post by **L0084MC** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:51 pm

[font=Verdana]"The members who are paid up with their dues are who controls the site activity." Myself being one of those members I would like to voice my opinion on that statement. [font=Verdana]Well, we all know that's not true don't we. If you make a statement, voice an opinion or just say something he dont like Mr. Manxter10 will delete, Hijack or lock up the thread. I am a paid up member. I was not ask if a thread should be loaked up. As a paid up member would you please give me the number of paid up members that called or emailed you and ask you to lock up that thread. [font=Verdana] [font=Verdana]Websters Dictionary---Moderator; n. one of conservative views and actions. adj. reasonable, mild, calm, not extreme. [font=Verdana] [font=Verdana]Your actions are not that of a moderator sir. Your actions are that of a dictator with a mission to police this wibsite with an iron hand. You sir are dictatorial. [font=Verdana] [font=Verdana]My father once told me " The gift of power don't make a _____ out of a man. He is already a _____, it just brings it to the surface." [font=Verdana] [font=Verdana]I made the statement in a post (if it has not been deleted or hijacked) that I would respect Winnie's wish and see what happens. Also that I might have some concerns if someone scattered and deleted threads and posts. I do not have the power to challenge you nor the desire to argue about it. [font=Verdana] [font=Verdana]With that being said, I will move on. Good luck to the club.

Siggymanx33 · Post by **Siggymanx33** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:15 pm

What thread did Manxter 10 lock up?

5150bossman · Post by **5150bossman** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:47 pm

Larry, please don't jump to conclusions. None of us can know fully the things that go on behind the scenes. Sometimes we make rash decisions based on that information (as I have done a time or to, and regreted it later

). And threads being hijacked is just part of human nature. Not something done on purpose all the time, just the natural progression of a conversation. Often, I find that a conversation has changed topics before I can say what I had in mind. And yes, it drives me

. If you want to see a board run with an iron hand, keep an eye on The Samba. Threads locked for even the slightest reasons the moderator's don't like, most of which I could never figure out

. If I am reading between the lines right, the end of your post sounds as if you are moving on from the Manx Club to other things. I wish I could talk you out of that, and in to giving the new version of the club a chance. I don't like to see anyone walk away upset. This should be a place for learning, teaching, and comerodery :drinking: . I feel that if we don't like something enough that is happening on the thing we care about, then we should try to change it to make it better. Maybe you would be interested in running for one of the board member spots when they open up. In any case, good luck with what ever choice you make.

Gene-C · Post by **Gene-C** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:44 pm

I am with Larry on this one..............if 200 more people want to vent their concerns about the lack of performance of the Manx Club site, they should be able to "have at it." What's the harm? It appears that Joe the Moderator will not hesitate to "speak" for the webmaster (There is one item that we can each do to help the webmaster weed out the unwanted names on the member list), and also for the Administrator (I am going to put the lock on this thread until such time as when the administrator has solved the problem or when he decides that more information is required form the members); who are these people, and why can't they speak up for themselves? I have no problem in supporting the fact that some of those on the steering committee have chosen to remain anonymous during the transition process. I do have a problem, though, with Joe the Moderator lowering his heavy hand at his personal discretion, and the fact that the Administrator has not publically identified himself (Joe referred to the as "he"). According to the section in the FAQs (under Reading and Posting Messages) on this site, the Moderator is defined as such: Moderators oversee specific forums. They generally have the ability to edit and delete posts, move threads, and perform other manipulations. Becoming a moderator for a specific forum is usually rewarded to users who are particularly helpful and knowledgeable in the subject of the forum they are moderating. Joe, forgive me for being so blunt here, but I would not describe your recent actions as being "particularly helpful and knowledgeable." You completely chopped up my most recent thread, you said that it contained "rants" (I am still patiently waiting for you to tell me which particular statements you were referring to) and you most recently locked someone else's thread for no apparently valid reason. Here is a suggestion: take your finger off of your hair trigger, my friend (giving you the benefit of the doubt).

newmanx59 · Post by **newmanx59** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:58 pm

I'm fairly certain the post the "locked Thread" that pushed Larry over the edge, is the post in which Larry complained about having to include his Manx Club membership number in his posts to aid the webmaster in identifiying members in good standing. I made a comment that Larry evidently took the wrong way, because he rebutted with a post aimed at me, in which he called me various inconsiderate and untrue names. My thoughts are that Joe locked the thread to prevent me from making a retaliatory post which I'm absolutely positive I would have made, If I could have, consequently the locking of the thread gave me time to cool down and rethink the situation. I ended up PM'ing Larry an apology and an explaination which Larry still hasn't taken the time to read. I think there has been way too much complaining and whining about the direction everybody percives things are moving. I don't think "venting concerns" is helping anything except getting the post count to increase. I am content to sit back and see what's happening. When it's all said and done and I don't like the way things are going and I can't help make the changes needed, I will evaluate weather or not I want to continue with my membership or not. It's that simple. Give them a chance, answer the questions as needed and see where they take us. Like I said, When it's all said and done, If you don't like it, leave.

mel hubbard · Post by **mel hubbard** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:27 am

[QUOTE="newmanx59"]I'm fairly certain the post the "locked Thread" that pushed Larry over the edge, is the post in which Larry complained about having to include his Manx Club membership number in his posts to aid the webmaster in identifiying members in good standing. I made a comment that Larry evidently took the wrong way, because he rebutted with a post aimed at me, in which he called me various inconsiderate and untrue names. My thoughts are that Joe locked the thread to prevent me from making a retaliatory post which I'm absolutely positive I would have made, If I could have, consequently the locking of the thread gave me time to cool down and rethink the situation. I ended up PM'ing Larry an apology and an explaination which Larry still hasn't taken the time to read. I think there has been way too much complaining and whining about the direction everybody percives things are moving. I don't think "venting concerns" is helping anything except getting the post count to increase. I am content to sit back and see what's happening. When it's all said and done and I don't like the way things are going and I can't help make the changes needed, I will evaluate weather or not I want to continue with my membership or not. It's that simple. Give them a chance, answer the questions as needed and see where they take us. Like I said, When it's all said and done, If you don't like it, leave.[/QUOTE] Jerry, I too feel that the thread was locked to prevent another war of words. And after all the recent 'Cross-Fire' on here who can blaim him? You've helped out many guys on here with buggy issues from what I've seen,, including Larrys 'Steering Wheel Problems' a while back. I've enjoyed reading both yours & Larrys posts, and although I thought your reply to Larrys post did sound a little harsh, Im sure it was NOT intended. Hope apologies are excepted here, and I can continue to read both your posts,, but as buddies. And Larry, Im no Enigma code breaker myself,,, so don't feel your alone, Im sure your far more familiar with these things than me...

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newmanx59 · Post by **newmanx59** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:31 am

[QUOTE="mel hubbard"]Jerry, I too feel that the thread was locked to prevent another war of words. And after all the recent 'Cross-Fire' on here who can blaim him? You've helped out many guys on here with buggy issues from what I've seen,, including Larrys 'Steering Wheel Problems' a while back. I've enjoyed reading both yours & Larrys posts, and although I thought your reply to Larrys post did sound a little harsh, Im sure it was NOT intended. Hope apologies are excepted here, and I can continue to read both your posts,, but as buddies. And Larry, Im no Enigma code breaker myself,,, so don't feel your alone, Im sure your far more familiar with these things than me...

:help:[/QUOTE] As I told Larry in the PM. I made my initial post from home at 5:30 am with the intention of detailing the method needed to enter his member number from work at 7:00 am., as luck would have it, our server was down for the entire day. When I came home from work, the thread was locked. In an effort to explain myself. The age old phrase "don't curse the darkness, turn on the light" is actually supposed to be a motivational/self improvement tool, as told to me by a motivational speaker, that my employer paid lots of money, to motivate I and my co-workers.

. In this case, if you are unsure on how to do something (darkness), use whatever resources are available to help you rectify the problem (turning on the light). It has no inference to a persons intellegence. It is just a tool.

mel hubbard · Post by **mel hubbard** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:01 am

Jerry, I know from the last 2 years of posting on here that your not the kind of guy to upset people,,,,,,, more the kind of fella to help out. Im sure other guys on here know that to be true too. Its good the thread got locked IMO and you had time to chill-out rather than fire back. Its far easier to fire back with 'Bad Vibes' remarks than to hold your hand up and say ''Sorry Buddy, I apologise for any misunderstanding'' which you did,,, just hope Larry can do the same :drinking: Tell me guys, is it ''National Short Fuse Week'' in USA?

flaboyjim · Post by **flaboyjim** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:51 pm

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